tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21660941.post1681571253711206494..comments2024-02-17T18:51:24.318+00:00Comments on Havering On: The Health & Safety TalibanRichard Havershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15309594787689405779noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21660941.post-14161873524027031132007-12-22T01:38:00.000+00:002007-12-22T01:38:00.000+00:00I was going to say something, but on second though...I was going to say something, but on second thoughts it might be more prudent to just let things be.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11557369528418088577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21660941.post-37175011205903094632007-12-19T23:08:00.000+00:002007-12-19T23:08:00.000+00:00Good response Richard. However most accidents/deat...Good response Richard. However most accidents/deaths are avoidable. They occur because established rules are ignored because its cheaper. We need a better word than 'accident'. Not paying for machinery to be made safe is a crime; not an accident.<BR/>But I accept that your point was about a culture/mindset.<BR/>And I think it's a bit like schools quoting the Data Protection Act to stop pictures being taken at nativity plays.<BR/>There isn't any legal basis for it, just a confused interpretation, and because teachers hear lots of stories about it they think they should do the same.<BR/>They're both popular story archetypes at the moment - and become a self-fulfilling prophecy.<BR/>I'm willing to be put right but I reckon there are no more spurious legal claims than 20 years ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21660941.post-732850207541756652007-12-19T22:01:00.000+00:002007-12-19T22:01:00.000+00:00OK Anon person I take the point about deaths at wo...OK Anon person I take the point about deaths at work but as far as I'm aware no one has died at Rosslyn and isn't likely to unless there's some tragic accident.<BR/><BR/>Many deaths are avoidable but we have been taken over by a culture that's concentrating on the wrong things, not the big issues. That's exactly my point. Everywhere you go there is a culture of prevention, a mindset that says no - but as often as not its concentrating on the wrong stuff. If we spent more time dealing with the important stuff then perhaps the deaths would reduce, although frankly I doubt it. I'm afraid i don't subscribe to the theory that all accidents are avoidable. They are by definition accidents and while there's always improvements that can be made there's no such thing as a cure-all.<BR/><BR/>And I think you miss the point. Of course there's no H&S Taliban. I'm making a point about a culture, a mind set. We have become totally obsessed with the power of the litigators. Where there's blame there's a claim....<BR/><BR/>p.s. when did someone last suffer an epileptic fit at Rosslyn?Richard Havershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15309594787689405779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21660941.post-69702844975361553832007-12-19T21:49:00.000+00:002007-12-19T21:49:00.000+00:00What health and safety taleban?The chapel owners h...What health and safety taleban?<BR/>The chapel owners have made a decision on H&S grounds - some people might agree, some might not. However there is no evidence of any outside agency applying pressure.<BR/>H&S-gone-mad stories are 99% cobblers. In this case, blame the chapel owners not some mythical H&S police.<BR/>Here is a fact: 241 people killed at work last year - the highest for 5 years - while prosecutions/inspections/enforcements are all falling.<BR/>I wish we did have a decent H&S Taleban, then perhaps we'd stop killing the equivalant of a Lockerbie disaster each year.<BR/>Mock that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21660941.post-16646604604798834192007-12-19T14:41:00.000+00:002007-12-19T14:41:00.000+00:00Numpties is the Scottish vernacular for a whole ho...Numpties is the Scottish vernacular for a whole host of people, from Neds to politicians....Richard Havershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15309594787689405779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21660941.post-68594872759042614952007-12-19T14:21:00.000+00:002007-12-19T14:21:00.000+00:00I think a usable technical term for these people y...I think a usable technical term for these people you are probably looking for is 'Numbats', though there are other terms that could work too.<BR/><BR/>Though this may be qualified by prefacing it with 'Complete', "Absolute", or indeed a combination of the two.CFD Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14176957304124700156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21660941.post-30913973695169097602007-12-18T21:43:00.000+00:002007-12-18T21:43:00.000+00:00Circumcise more likely!Circumcise more likely!Richard Havershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15309594787689405779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21660941.post-20154000528980809632007-12-18T21:40:00.000+00:002007-12-18T21:40:00.000+00:00Trying to pre-empt, prevent or circumvent?Trying to pre-empt, prevent or circumvent?James Highamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14525082702330365464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21660941.post-8829563975482963412007-12-18T19:01:00.000+00:002007-12-18T19:01:00.000+00:00Let's hope custodians of other historic buildings ...Let's hope custodians of other historic buildings don't follow suit. The fact, these people will still want public money to enjoy its future survival. What are they playing at?Ellee Seymourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11647480320978146418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21660941.post-43843068793084777112007-12-18T17:21:00.000+00:002007-12-18T17:21:00.000+00:00These risk assessment advisers won't let us do any...These risk assessment advisers won't let us do anything anywhere. <BR/>And the penalty for this idiocy?<BR/><BR/>Epilepsy? They'll be banning blinking Christmas lights next.jmbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13563252743976699923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21660941.post-18225401348660971372007-12-18T16:39:00.000+00:002007-12-18T16:39:00.000+00:00Deary me. Better hope no-one does a similar 'risk ...Deary me. Better hope no-one does a similar 'risk assesment' on Edinburgh's High Street. All those cobbles and raised slabs could have someone's eye out if they're not careful...Richard Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00380671811598211337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21660941.post-92218464881247996622007-12-18T16:12:00.000+00:002007-12-18T16:12:00.000+00:00Richard, Oh no I'm not.....it's on the BBC web sit...Richard, Oh no I'm not.....it's on the BBC web site.<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/3xe7qrRichard Havershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15309594787689405779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21660941.post-30182017925548634462007-12-18T15:43:00.000+00:002007-12-18T15:43:00.000+00:00You're on the wind up here Richard, surely?You're on the wind up here Richard, surely?Richard Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00380671811598211337noreply@blogger.com